Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM

 

 "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."  Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?"  Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.  And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.  Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death."  Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon!  Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, 'If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.'  Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead?  And the prophets are dead.  Who do You make Yourself out to be?"  

Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing.  It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.  Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him.  And if I say, 'I do not know Him,' I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."  Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"  Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."  Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

 

- John 8:47–59 

 

In our recent readings, Jesus is attending the autumn Feast of Tabernacles.  It is the final year of His earthly life.  He has been disputing in the temple with the religious leaders, who have sought to arrest Him, but have failed to do so.  Yesterday we read that they answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone.  How can you say, 'You will be made free'?"  Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.  And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.  Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.  I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.  I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father."  They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father."  Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.  But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you truth which I heard from God.  Abraham did not do this.  You do the deeds of your father."  Then they said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father -- God."  Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.  Why do you not understand My speech?  Because you are not able to listen to My word.   You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.  He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.  When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.  But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.  Which of you convicts Me of sin?  And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?  He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

 

  "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."  Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?"  Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.  And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.  Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death."  Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon!  Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, 'If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.'  Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead?  And the prophets are dead.  Who do You make Yourself out to be?"  My study Bible notes that, unable to defeat Christ through logic or truth, these enemies (the religious leaders in the temple at Jerusalem) resort to personal insult. 

 

 Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing.  It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.  Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him.  And if I say, 'I do not know Him,' I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."   In disputing with the religious leaders, Jesus has offered several witnesses to His identity.  In John 5:31-47, He offered four witnesses:  God the Father, John the Baptist, His own works, and Moses.  Earlier during the events of this particular festival, He offered two witnesses, God the Father and Himself (see this reading).  Here Jesus offers another witness to Himself as Lord, the patriarch Abraham, "who rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

 

Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"  Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."  Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.  Here Jesus uses the divine Name of God from the Old Testament, first revealed to Moses at the burning bush (Exodus 3:13-15).   This is the I AM (in the Greek of the Septuagint and here in the New Testament, εγω ειμι/ego eimi).  To the Jews, my study Bible explains, this was a direct, explicit, and unmistakable claim to perfect equality with God, as evidenced by their reaction here (they took up stones to throw at Him); see also Mark 14:62-64.  John places special emphasis on the use of this Name to clearly reveal Christ as God, my study Bible says.  This divine claim illuminates Christ's authority even over death ("If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death," verse 52, above), a power which belongs only to God the Father.

 

Jesus say, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."   It indicates that eternal nature of the Son, and Christ's identity as the Second Person of the Trinity.  This is the name of the the Lord in the Old Testament.  Clearly, as my study Bible says, the religious leaders understand full well the implications of what He claims, as they took up stones to throw at Him.  But Christ's nature which He reveals through this statement is something we must deeply consider for ourselves.  What it would be like to be both fully human and fully divine is not something any of us could say we'd know, for we are not the Christ.  But Jesus' identity both as Son and as Human Being indicates that He is here in the world to live as one of us in order to meet the things that ail us, and to offer us a way out, from sin and from death, from the evil that afflicts the world and separates us from God.  I heard an interesting talk lately about the topic of atonement, which suggested that the deep longing for the Messiah among the Jews of Christ's time was rooted in the understanding that real atonement that was necessary for Israel was something that was a much deeper problem than just a matter of the proper sacrifices and following the Laws of Moses.  To await the Messiah was the only way to reconcile the cosmic problem of the world in the spiritual grasp of evil.  In John's First Epistle, he writes, "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19).  In this Gospel, Jesus speaks of the ruler of this world and the judgment that must come.  He tells His disciples, "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out," and,  "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me" (John 12:31; 14:30).  Therefore Christ's identity as Son of Man, both fully human and fully divine, is necessary for the salvation of the world and the created order, and there is none other to do so.  This is what Christ indicates in this statement, when He echoes the name of the Lord from the Old Testament and claims it for Himself.  As His followers, we may enter into and participate in Christ's salvation for the world, which is an ongoing and active process, as we also may witness of ourselves and continue what He has begun. Jesus has said to the religious leaders, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working" (John 5:17).   Until the end of the age, Christ continues this work in us, in the world, through the Body of Christ, and invites us to participate in it ourselves.  In today's reading, He gives His identity, He is the I AM, the One who already was before Abraham was born.  His testimony is for us, so that we know whom we follow, and whose redeeming work we serve.

 

 

 

 

If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead

 

 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.  But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.  Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.  So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom.  The rich man also died and was buried.  And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.  

 

"Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'  But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.  And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'  

 

"Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'  And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'  But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"

 

- Luke 16:19-31 

 

In yesterday's reading, Jesus taught:  "He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.  Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?  And if you have not been faithful in what is another man's, who will give you what is your own?  No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other.  You cannot serve God and mammon." Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.  And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts.  For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.  The law and the prophets were until John.  Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.  And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.  Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery." 

 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.  But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.  Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.  So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom.  The rich man also died and was buried.  And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."  In today's reading, Jesus gives a new parable, that of the Rich Man and Lazarus.  My study Bible explains here that Abraham's bosom means heaven.   It says that Abraham is mentioned among all the righteous because, in stark contrast to the rich man, Abraham showed hospitality to strangers (Genesis 18:1-8).  That the rich man . . . was buried is seen in patristic commentary as illustrating the state of his merciless soul, buried by the pleasures of the flesh.  My study Bible quotes St. John Chrysostom, who comments that this rich man was already buried in life by "couches, furnishings, sweet oils, perfumes, large quantities of wine, varieties of food, and flatterers."  Note also that the one we know only as the "rich man" remains unnamed -- indicating that he is ultimately forgotten (see Psalm 9:6).  

 

 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'  But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.  And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' "  My study Bible comments that the rich man's appeal to Abraham as a spiritual father is not rejected.  Instead, we should note that Abraham accepts this role.  He calls the rich man son and shows himself to be compassionate even towards the most wretched of men.  The great gulf, my study Bible explains, is not a geographical divide, but the complete separation between virtue and wickedness, a separation that cannot be overcome after death.   It asks us to note that torments have not changed the rich man's heart:  he still sees Lazarus as a servant existing for the sake of his own comfort.  Finally, this parable by Christ reveals the communion of the saints, in that a man, not even a believer, calls out from Hades and converses with Saint Abraham.

"Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'  And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'  But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"  My study Bible comments that some Fathers see this parable being set after the final judgment, citing the punishment and reward being received by the two men respectively.  Others see this parable as set at a time after death but before the second coming of Christ, as is shown by the man interceding on behalf of his brothers who are still living.  The torment he is experiencing, my study Bible notes, would be but a foretaste of his final state.  From this perspective, we learn that the souls of the departed have awareness of and concern for the state of those still alive on earth (see Luke 9:30-31; 2 Maccabees 15:12-16; Matthew 2:18), but also that the intercessions of a wicked man are heard, but avail nothing (contrast James 5:16).  Regarding this final verse, my study Bible quotes St. John Chrysostom:  "The ignorance of Scripture is a great cliff and a deep abyss.  It is impossible for anyone to be without benefit if he reads continually and with attention."  Moreover, my study Bible adds, the rebellious were not persuaded even when people did rise from the dead (Matthew 28:11-15; John 12:9-11).  

If we read the parable not as delineating for us a physical place, but rather a spiritual location, one in which we find ourselves as a result of disregarding the essential importance of faith, we might see more clearly what hell and torments are all about.  If this is the state of the soul; that is, the state of our life once life in this world is behind us, then what we're reading about is the soul in conditions which are more closely experiencing the energies of God.  The fiery torment of hell, in this light, is the closer proximity to the same fire of the Burning Bush (Exodus 3), out of which the Lord spoke to Moses, or the pillar of fire that illumined the way in the darkness for Israel (Exodus 13:20-22).  By resisting and rejecting God -- which is expressed in this parable quite clearly in its final verses -- we alienate ourselves to this energy, and so experience it as torment.  Seen in this way, the parable also speaks to us of the powerful force and spiritual tool that is repentance:  the desire to change one's mind, and orient the soul in a new direction.  The parable illustrates for us, then, that repentance is a way to place ourselves more closely in alignment with those energies of God, of the Holy Spirit at work in the world, and so to experience God's grace as that in which we participate and are welcome, not as chafing torment.  Repentance, in this sense, offer us a compatibility with the things of God, as opposed to alienation.  When we're afraid of change, afraid to repent, we are really afraid of setting aside our old values and goals, and finding instead the ones which God would give us.  Jesus speaks often throughout the Gospels of the hold that sin and "mammon" can have upon us.  "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin" He says, whereas, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" ( see John 8:31-34).  In this parable, Jesus gives us the spiritual truth in a picture of the soul and its relationship -- or broken relationship -- with God.  It is a kind of warning to us about the preciousness of the time that we have in this world, for as we read between the lines, so to speak, we see that in a place where time ceases to have the meaning it does in our worldly life, repentance becomes even more difficult and our spiritual distance from God a more impenetrable gulf.  In addition to these intriguing topics that the parable brings to us, we should not forget that Jesus gives the parable in the context of His recent teachings, and especially yesterday's reading (above), in which He taught that one cannot serve God and mammon.  What we (and my study Bible) observe about this rich man's behavior toward Lazarus is that it still embodies a type of "transactional" way of thinking -- and one in which Lazarus is viewed as a type of commodity, a servant to use.   The wealthy man does not really repent; he does not come to see Lazarus as a person to whom he's done harm in his neglect.  Instead he seeks to use Lazarus as an instrument to send a warning to his brothers.  The final answer here is clear, that there have been many servants sent into the world to warn and to teach.  The repeated calls of the prophets have already been sent out into the world.  And now the One who speaks will be raised from the dead, the Suffering Servant who will go to the Cross in a saving message for the whole world -- and this will be enough.  Let us pay attention and trust His word.

Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame

 

 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.  But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.  Moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores.  So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom.  The rich man also died and was buried.  And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.  Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'  But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.  And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'  Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'  Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'  And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'  But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"

 

- Luke 16:19-31 

 

On Saturday, we read that Jesus taught, "He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.  Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?  And if you have not been faithful in what is another man's, who will give you what is your own?  No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other.  You cannot serve God and mammon."  Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money also heard all these things, and they derided Him.  And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts.  For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.  The law and the prophets were until John.  Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.  And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.  Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery."

 

  "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.  But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.  Moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores.  So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom."  My study Bible explains that Abraham's bosom means heaven.  It says that Abraham is mentioned among all the righteous, because, in stark contrast to the rich man, Abraham showed hospitality to strangers (Genesis 18:1-8).  The rich man . . . was buried:  my study Bible notes that in patristic commentary this is seen as illustrating the state of his merciless soul, buried by the pleasures of the flesh.   St. John Chrysostom writes that he was already buried in life by "couches, rugs, furnishings, sweet oils, perfumes, large quantities of wine, varieties of food, and flatterers."  That the rich man remains unnamed is an indication that ultimately he is forgotten (see Psalm 9:6).  

"The rich man also died and was buried.  And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.  Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'  But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.  And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'"   My study Bible says that the rich man's appeal to Abraham as a spiritual father is not rejected.  Instead, Abraham accepts this role, and calls the rich man son, and shows himself to be compassion even towards the most wretched of men.  This great gulf of which he speaks is not a geographical divide.  Rather it is indicative of the separation between virtue and wickedness, a separation that is not overcome after death.  The torments he suffers don't change the rich man's heart, as he still sees Lazarus as a servant who exists for the sake of his own comfort.  Finally, my study Bible says, this account by Christ reveals the communion of the saints:  this man, not even a believer, calls out from Hades and has a conversation with St. Abraham!

"Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'  Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'  And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' "  My study Bible says that some in the patristic tradition see this parable being set after the final judgment, and cite the punishment and reward being received by the two men respectively.  But others see this parable set at a time after death, but before the second coming of Christ, as is seemingly evidenced by the man interceding on behalf of his brothers who are still living.  The torment he is experiencing would be simply a foretaste of his final state.  From such a perspective, we learn from Jesus' parable that the souls of the departed have awareness of and concern for the state of those still alive on earth (see Luke 9:30-31; Matthew 2:18; 2 Maccabees 15:12-16)  We learn also that the intercessions of a wicked man are heard, but avail nothing (contrast this with James 5:16).  

 

"But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"   My study Bible cites the commentary of St. John Chrysostom here:  "The ignorance of Scripture is a great cliff and a deep abyss.  It is impossible for anyone to be without benefit if he reads continually and with attention."  Additionally, it notes that the rebellious were not persuaded even when people did rise from the dead (Matthew 28:11-15; John 12:9-11).

 

 It's very intriguing to think about what this parable from Jesus means, and the different ways the teachings included here might be applied.  In the Orthodox tradition, memorial prayers for the dead are offered at various intervals (traditionally every year on or near the anniversary of their deaths), especially by family members.  In our prayers for those who are deceased we pray for their memory, as intercession with the Lord, and, in particular something that is part of the analysis of this parable:  that their memory be eternal.  Memory is importantly connected with being itself, and with relationship.   We find the concept in Revelation of "the pit" -- essentially implying a bottomless sort of place that eventually leads to oblivion, or non-existence.  It is an image of hell out of which comes death and all manor of affliction and demonic presence, but ultimately everything and all associated with it go to perdition (Revelation 9:1-11; 11:7; 17:8, 20:1-3).  But what we may note about it is simply how it is linked to the function of memory which my study Bible notes about today's parable, seemingly indicating a time before final judgment, and why it may be important that we pray for the deceased.  For the indication of the communion of saints is strong here, and we are not the judges.  Instead we may pray, as we are instructed in the Lord's Prayer, for the forgiveness of sins, even interceding for those who have passed for our own sakes, as we may pray for their forgiveness as part of our own command for forgiveness (Matthew 6:12).  In so doing, we leave judgment up to God, and ourselves free of this unpaid "debt."  I have on two occasions known of those seemingly visited by deceased family members, who died under bad circumstances and conditions in their lives, requesting that the family member pray for them.  In my opinion, it is appropriate that our mercy extend to prayer -- for once again, we remind ourselves that we are not the judge and we also seek forgiveness in our lives.  Whatever one's point of view on this subject, it seems certain the parable indicates that, unlike life as it seems in this world, there is that great gulf between movement toward God, and that which makes a barrier to movement toward God, and that barrier itself is a lack of compassion. The parable ultimately is for the living, and once again, as it is told in the light of the approaching Cross and Christ's Passion, it is a strong warning to all about how we make use of our time in this world, before the time we pass to the mystery of what happens after death.  For it is while we are in this world that our own repentance can have the great effect of bridging this great gulf, and we can set ourselves on the right path by the practice of compassion.  See especially Christ's parable of Judgment, that of the Sheep and Goats, on the key importance of the practice of compassion  (Matthew 25:31-46).  Let us keep in mind that Jesus tells this parable in response to the Pharisees who deride Him regarding His teaching about the charitable sharing of wealth.  In this world we are given tools, a heart and mind and soul, intelligence, the capacity for action, and a wealth of opportunities for sharing all of the above with others in whatever capacity we are capable.  Ultimately we share love with others in many forms where it might be needed, a good encouraging word, some financial or other help.  It seems to me, at least in the United States where I live, that it is increasingly impossible for those of lower income to take part in what was once taken for granted in public life, as even museums, entertainments, or other public places of participation become more prohibitively expensive, especially for families with children, or those on fixed incomes.   Let us consider in this light what it means to build beauty in a church, in which all are welcome, including the poorest as part of the family whose home it is, whose father is Our Father, who also are under the family name of Christ.  For what is this parable about, if not about our home which is meant to be for all and by all?  Let us build our parishes with love.